Do Church Icons count as 'graven images'? - The Whole Church Podcast

Episode 196

Do Church Icons count as 'graven images'?

Dr Nathan Gilmour of the Christian Humanist Project joins our hosts, Joshua Noel and TJ (Tiberius Juan) Blackwell, to discuss the history of Iconoclasm in the Church! We ask Dr Gilmour about his experience with art, how the Church has historically thought about religious imagery, and how his humanist perspective influences his view of the arts.


What is an example of iconoclasm? What is iconoclasm in Christianity? What is iconoclasm in simple terms? What is iconoclasm in theology? What is an example of religious imagery? What is religious imagery called? What is Christian art called? Does Christianity allow art? What is Protestant iconoclasm? Is protestantism Iconoclastic? Is iconoclasm Catholic or Protestant?


In this episode, we will:

  • Discuss the history of religious imagery with the Catholic Church
  • Explore the protestant iconoclastic ideas
  • Debate the usefulness of art for Christian Worship
  • Explain why Christians disagree over imagery in worship


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Joshua Noel

I am from Knoxville, TN. Grew up in Florida and Charlotte, NC. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Biblical Studies, am preparing to attend Law School at the University of South Carolina, have co-hosted "The Whole Church Podcast" with my best friend TJ Blackwell for four years, and I have been involved in local ministries for 15 years now. I'm pretty huge into hermeneutics, U.S. Constitutional Law, and Biblical theology, and my favorite TV show is "Doctor Who".

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TJ Blackwell

TJ was born and now lives. He now co-hosts The Whole Church podcast

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